07/28/2008 (www.mandjshow.com) Fox News Morning Show

“Lenny Wawczak, Joel Brodsky, Drew Peterson, Andrew Abood”

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Mike & Juliet Show July 28, 2008

PART I:

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Who attacked Drew Peterson? He talks about the bizarre brawl and answers M&J’s questions about rumored wire taps and a possible indictment!

MIKE: Guess who is back in the news folks, Drew Peterson after a trash talking tussle with a former friend.

JULIET: Today Drew is on our show and he's going to tell us just what went down at the Barber Shop.

(PLAYS VIDEO OF THE BARBER SHOP STORY)

MIKE: Let's sort this out, joining us from Skokie, Illinois is Drew Peterson and his attorney's are there as well, Joel Brodsky and Andrew Abood.

JULIET: Alright so Drew let's get back to the nuts and bolts here, can you just explain the status of your friendship, whatever you call it, your ex-friendship with Len. How did you guys met, how close were you?

DREW PETERSON: Oh I've known Lenny for many years, maybe as long as sixteen, maybe twenty years, ah, I was a policeman for many years and on many occasions I was involved in Lenny's arrest, you know for nonsense things going on in town, you know simple batteries and drunken disorderly type things.

MIKE: Let's talk abut the nonsense being thrown back and forth in the parking lot, are you have sex with Len's wife?

DREW PETERSON: It's not something were going to talk about today I think.

JULIET: Why?

JOEL BRODSKY: Ah, it's just not relevant, ah, we're not going to get involved in that.

JULIET: There's questions about whether Len wiretapped either was told to wiretap or did it on his own, wiretapped, ah your client, what would be the motivation, was he told to do that by the Illinois State Police, that's why it seems like it would be relevant, you say it's not so it seems were not going to hear if there was any sort of affair. Did he accuse you of having an affair, can we at least clarify that?

JOEL BRODSKY: I think that's on, that was reported in the media what Len was saying when he attacked Drew but you know, we're just going to leave it there. But Drew never really was a close friend, he's only contact with Lenny and Paula over, up until October of last year was stopping by on his patrol and just talking with them, he never was a friend, they never were friends, they were not long friends or close friends, they were just people he would chat up while on patrol.

DREW PETERSON: Part of my career basically what was happening was I was talking with Lenny about go ahead and going into business with him and rehabing homes but that never came to pass due to the housing market.

MIKE: But Drew do you think that he, Len and Paula truly have been audio recording you for seven months. Do you think that's happening?

DREW PETERSON: Very possible, it's very possible they could have been so.. ah, they went ahead and used my kids to get close to me to allow them to spend extra time with me to do that.

JULIET: But if you weren't good friends with them then how did they get close to your children?

DREW PETERSON: Well one day they just showed up when I was under all this media attention. (TELEPHONE RINGING) And what happened is a....

(TELEPHONE RINGS... Ringy Dingy, Ringy Dingy)

MIKE: (TELEPHONE KEEPS RINGING) That could be Len calling Drew? It could be Len. He seems to be in a lot of communication with a lot of people. But Drew if they do have an audio recording, listen to some of this stuff that they say you've done. (TELEPHONE KEEPS RINGING) That you said on this tape, your third wife, "ah, should have cremated her." Now she, this is considered a homicide, she died in a bathtub. Did you say that to Len and Paula, I wish you, I would have cremated Kathleen, my third wife?

DREW PETERSON: Absolutely not, what I say from the beginning when I heard this is play the tapes, play the tapes in their entirety, you know not just portions or sections of them and that will set the record straight because the tapes won't lie.

ANDREW ABOOD (??): Not only that but if that's the worse thing he said in those seven months I'm not too worried about it, they could have made up anything and I've reviewed everything that they said and if that's the worse thing they're going to attribute to Drew that's not that bad.

JULIET: So Drew let's just clarify that, do you think they were taping you at any point?

DREW PETERSON: There's a good possibility they were, at this point we don't know for sure. We don't know for sure.

JULIET: And you're not worried about what you might have said to them, you have no issues that might incriminate you in the deaths of either one of your wives.

DREW PETERSON: Not at all, not at all.

MIKE: Well you also say Drew that you say to them, Lenny and Paula, ah I wish you guys would go burn down the memorial to Stacy. Respond to that.

DREW PETERSON: No, that's something Lenny probably said because I remember I was standing out in front of the house and we were shaking our heads at the shrine they have in front of Sharon's house and I believe Lenny made that comment about burning down the little shrine they have there but that wasn't something that was said by me.

JULIET: Do you ever joke around about the death of your third wife or your missing fourth wife?

DREW PETERSON: Never ever, these are pretty serious issues, nothing I would joke about.

MIKE: Did Len and Paula hide one of your guns from the Illinois State Police?

DREW PETERSON: Oh that's something that never really actually happened. What happened was I found out that the State Police was ah, for no particular reason revoking my gun card and I still had a gun that they missed when they did the search warrant so I had to get rid of it and Paula and Lenny were over and Paula had a gun card so I simply made a legal transfer to Paula for that gun so....

MIKE: But you say they're not your friends, you handing them guns, they're hanging out with your kids. I would just kick them out of my house.

DREW PETERSON: Well, they weren't the friends, the friends that everybody is portraying them to be.

JULIET: But your attorney, but you yourself Joel are accusing them of psychological torture on Drew's children so if they weren't close..

JOEL BRODSKY: Yeah, I'd like to talk about that for a bit, the a, what happened here was just take their story for face value that they were in fact working for the Illinois State Police and they were informants and they were under the direction of the State Police. Well, these people concentrated on establishing very close relationship with Drew's children including Paula and the three year old little girl.

JULIET: But how do you have a close relationship with the kids if your not close with their parents?

JOE BRODSKY: Well, they would come over, during the period of after Stacy ran off they would come over on a daily bases, just show up on a daily basis and help Drew out, watch his kids, help him run errands, this and that so they, during this period of time, they would become very close to Drew's teenage sons, that would be Len and Paula would with the little girl especially with wanting female attention and now this has to be with the knowledge of the Illinois State Police, in fact I believe if they were working for them with their encouragement. Now, all of a sudden they get cut off, immediately abruptly just out of their lives, the little girl asks for Paula and she's not only told that Paula's not going to be around anymore but that Paula was not, really not interested in her but in fact she was working to take her dad away from her.

MIKE: This female would have female attention if we could find Stacy. Drew, what happened in the barber shop parking lot, why did Len come after you?

JOEL BRODSKY: You'll have to ask Len that...

MIKE: Okay we'll do that, joining us from Bolingbrook, Illinois is Len Wawczak, Len what happened in the Barber shop? What happen in the Barber shop parking lot?

LENNY WAWCZAK: Simply put I'd got a phone call from my son saying Drew's giving him dirty looks, they were both in the same barber shop getting hair cuts. I'd ask do you think Drew's trying to start with you and he said no, maybe intimidating me. I went down there to talk to Drew about it.

JULIET: When you went down there did you call, did you call any of the media to join you when you went down there to confront Drew?

LENNY WAWCZAK: No, and you know, actually Joe Hosey happened to be there and the reason for that he happen to be at....

JULIET: Who’s Joe Hosey?

LENNY WAWCZAK: He's a reporter for the Joliet Herald News and he was at my house doing a follow up story so when I got the call I left.

JULIET: Well, that's convenient. And you obviously told him where you were going?

LENNY WAWCZAK: Like I said he over heard the conversation of what was going on and decided to follow.

ANDREW ABOOD (??): He was probably at Lenny's house when he got the call.

JULIET: Yeah, that's what Lenny said, so Drew when you went to the barber shop was Len's son already there at the barber shop getting his hair done?

JOEL BRODSKY: We're not, this is Jerry Springer ask, look Len is not a credible person.

MIKE: Yes it is, very Jerry Springer (??) Len, let me ask, do you think Drew is sleeping with your wife, why would you say that in the parking lot?

LENNY WAWCZAK: No, here's the thing, I went there specifically for my son and since Drew and Joel like to lie about everything, I'd confront him but you know, he wouldn't man up, he stood right there and didn't say anything.

JOEL BRODSKY: Len, why don't you talk about your bankruptcy fraud convict...that the judge found you guilty of bankruptcy fraud? If you're going to say we're liars I got papers here to show you're guilty of bankruptcy fraud.

JULIET: When did you find that out about Len because I would be concerned about people involved in crime take care of my kids.

LENNY WAWCZAK: Listen it not even so Joel, why don't you go chain yourself to a courtroom table again. I mean you want to talk about credibility.

JOEL BRODSKY: Let's talk about credibility Len, why are you doing this, you are involved in six bankruptcies.

MIKE: Are you in money trouble, why are you recording Drew Peterson?

LENNY WAWCZAK: Because Drew Peterson is a murderer, that's why.

JULIET: Why do you say he's a murderer, you sound very definitive about that, what did he say besides what you apparently already leaked to the media, what did he say to convince, a friend of yours, is a killer?

LENNY WAWCZAK: Well, what he said to us, a, the things that have been leaked, that is nothing compare to what Drew said on the over hears. Drew Knows what he said.

JULIET: What do you mean on the over hears?

LENNY WAWCZAK: The over hears, that's what the Illinois State Police refer to as...

ANDREW ABOOD (??): Giving this guy a format like this is ridiculous. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. He's telling all to incriminate my client one single bit and my client hasn't done anything in the last seven months and the last thing he would do is say something to Len. Len is charged with assaulting my client and in and of itself....

MIKE: Guys, that's no more than a ticket, that's no more than a ticket

ANDREW ABOOD: Undermines his creditably and bias and to give him a format on national TV to make allegations that he has no personal knowledge of.

JULIET: Well these are serious allegations.

ANDREW ABOOD: He has allegations with no merit, he has no personal knowledge.

JULIET: You don't believe the Illinois State Police asked him to wear a wire?

(CROSSTALK)

ANDREW ABOOD: Not based on everything we've been told by the Government. We can only rely on what they tell us.

MIKE: On the three examples I gave certainly don't link him to the murder of anybody so when we come back we're going to talk to a report out of Chicago whose been following this case closely. Does she have proof that the Illinois State Police actually have Len and Paula wire.

JULIET: We'll be right back

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Mike & Juliet Show July 28, 2008

PART II:

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Who attacked Drew Peterson? He talks about the bizarre brawl and answers M&J’s questions about rumored wire taps and a possible indictment!

MIKE: We are back with Drew Peterson and his attorneys, Joel Brodsky and Andrew Abood, all coming from Skokie Illinois

JULIET: Also from Bolingbrook, Illinois, Len Wawczak is joining us. Also with us now is a reporter Lilith for affiliate WFLD in Chicago and Judge Judy, Jeanine Pirro and psychologist Dr. Debbie Magids and the whole reason we brought you in Debbie is because of the whole, the children being psychologically damaged because of the excludes of Len and Paula into their lives but Len, before we go any further, you were talking about the where said, you said the over hears, can you explain what you’re talking about?

LENNY WAWCZAK: Over hears is what they refer to them as it's wiretapping, whatever you want to refer to it as.

JULIET: Have you been told by the Illinois, first of all, were you asked to wear wiretap by the Illinois State Police?

LENNY WAWCZAK: Yes

JULIET: Were you told to leak any thing to the media about what was on those wire taps?

LENNY WAWCZAK: We can't leak exactly what Drew had said, you know little bits and pieces here and there.

JULIET: When you say we are you referring too the Illinois State Police or you and Paula?

LENNY WAWCZAK: Yes

MIKE: Here's the thing Len, ah, are the Illinois State Police upset with you that you're on national television?

LENNY WAWCZAK: Absolutely not

JULIET: Why would they not be?

LENNY WAWCZAK: Why would they be. We haven't given anything out that pertains to this case.

MIKE: Well, where am I getting all of this Drew Peterson said to me and I have it on tape and I should have cremated my third wife Kathleen Savio. Did he say that?

LENNY WAWCZAK: Okay let me rephrase it, one of his attorneys said if that's the best we got... That's not the best we got, Drew knows what he said. He knows what he said.

JULIET: But did he said that because that's what is reported in the media and if that's incorrect then they may be right and you're not a player in this whole game.

LENNY WAWCZAK: No, and that's why I corrected myself and said that's not the best we have.

(CROSSTALK)

JOEL BRODSKY (DREW PETERSON ATTORNEY): He's a con man. When are you guys going to understand, Len is a confidence man. He's got a $350,000 judgement against him for some guy he ran down and hasn't paid a cent.

LENNY WAWCZAK: Joel, why don't you ....

JULIET: When did this happen though, why would your client let him hang out with the kids and take them and drive his car around if he's such a con man, if he such a bad guy?

LENNY WAWCZAK: Because it's not true.

JOEL BRODSKY: You don't have a $350,000 judgement against you Len? Another Lie? Come on Len. That reporter is going to come up on the next segment, she reported and she's going to tell us, she reported it on Fox local, she talked to the guy you ran down.

(CROSSTALK)

MIKE: Okay Len hang on a second here, I get the impression from you Drew that you're not worried about anything that's on these tapes.

LENNY WAWCZAK: He better be.

DREW PETERSON: None whatsoever.

MIKE: Why not?

JULIET: Why not?

DREW PETERSON: I've never said anything that incriminating, none whatsoever.

JULIET: Len you have no doubt that information Drew gave out on these tapes is so incriminating to him you have no doubts that this information will get out and Illinois State Police knows about this information?

LENNY WAWCZAK: Absolutely. Drew's going bye bye.

MIKE: Why, nothing on this tape is incriminating like Drew said.

LENNY WAWCZAK: We're not going to divulge what's on there.

MIKE: Do you have proof on these tapes, does he say anything on these tapes that would link him to the death of Kathleen or the disappearance of Stacy?

LENNY WAWCZAK: Absolutely.

JULIET: Okay let's get to our WFLD affiliate Lilith.

LILITH, WFLD REPORTER: Well it's an extraordinary thing for people who say they wore a wire, divulge information that was gathered by that wire. They say they wore this thing for seven months, that they had conversations with Drew Peterson that will end up putting Drew Peterson away, I've covered crime stories for years, I've never heard such a leak coming out on a case like this. Now the State Police are not able to confirm for us that they have in listed these two to help in their investigation. But Lenny Wawczak and Paul Stark seem to know an awful lot about the investigation and about the grand jury proceeding. Lenny Wawczak told me, this court date on this battery, this misdemeanor battery for September 10th. He said Drew Peterson will not be there, he'll be put away by then.

MIKE: Oh my Goodness.

LILITH WFLD REPORTER: So he seems very confident.

MIKE: We did speak with Charles Pelke of the Illinois State Police and he said the Will County States Attorney office are not making any comments about the wire tapping and if they were working with Len or Paula in the first place.

JULIET: And we also want to talk to Jeanine Pirro here and you were listening to our reporter there and you were saying she's right, she's right.

JEANINE PIRRO: You now she's right it is highly, listen I signed wiretap orders, I sought them as a DA as well. They are based on serious probable cause. You don't get a wire unless the police really have a lot of evidence to begin with but it is highly unusual for anyone who has been wired up to then go after the press and tell them what has been said, in fact the leaking of a wiretap is a felony in itself. What they are saying is that they thought the defendant, the soon to be defendant was notified of the wire is what happens when a wire goes down the government must send the suspect a letter saying we wire tapped you and it's now down and they thought that they got the letter and that they were free to talk.

MIKE: Is Len in trouble?

JEANINE PIRRO: No because the Illinois State Police need him for the case, they need him to corroborate those tapes, at the end of the day if he were anyone other than a serious witness in this case he would be prosecuted for leaking that.

JULIET: And Debbie what do you have to say about the accusations that Len and Paula were close to the children and that the Illinois State Police are responsible for psychological torture of the kids.

DEBBIE MAGIDS, Ph.D: That's an extreme and if you're going to put anything under the ... of psychological torture, one mother is dead, one mother is missing and the father might be going away accused of this crime. That's what's hurting these children the most not that they don't have some culpability, I mean I don't think it's great that they used these children to get evidence and they're sort of .... a bad situation but it's not psychological torture.

MIKE: Thank you to all our guests this morning