June 1998 Patsy Ramsey Interrogation by Thomas Haney and Trip DeMuth (Baseball Bats)
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23 TOM HANEY: 410.
24 PATSY RAMSEY: That looks like a baseball
25 bat. What is that? It looks like --
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1 TRIP DEMUTH: It is on the -- that photograph
2 was taken on the north side of this up by the butler
3 kitchen door. Was it the Givens that lived on that
4 side of house?
5 PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, really. That is unusual.
6 That is unusual.
7 TRIP DEMUTH: Why is that?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: It is not unusual for the kids
9 to leave their stuff laying around, but they wouldn't
10 have had it over there. It would have been -- remember
11 all of the toys laying under the swing set? It would
12 be that area. So that is -- that is very unusual.
13 TRIP DEMUTH: They never took their toys on
14 that side of the house?
15 PATSY RAMSEY: Nobody hardly went over there.
16 They were living there.
17 TOM HANEY: Okay. The boys --
18 PATSY RAMSEY: Run around, I know.
19 TOM HANEY: Would they end up playing over
20 there, or do you know, is there any place they wouldn't
21 go outside?
22 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, you are right. There is
23 probably no place they wouldn't go, but it would be
24 highly unusual, is what I'm saying, for a baseball bat
25 to be there, because there is not that much space over
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1 there. I mean, if they hit a ball and bat, it was
2 usually over where the patio is in that, you know, that
3 lake there along the dining room window, that area.
4 TOM HANEY: How about the bat itself, does
5 that look --
6 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I can't say for sure.
7 Burke would probably know.
8 TOM HANEY: Do you know how many bats he
9 might have had? Would he have had more than one?
10 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't think so. I mean, I
11 think that looks metal. Metal bats are pretty -- I
12 mean, they are not cheap. So I can't imagine -- I
13 don't think he had more than one, if he had one.
14 TOM HANEY: But he did have one?
15 PATSY RAMSEY: It seems like he had one, but
16 I can't say for sure it was that one.
17 Like I said, he would know. I'm sure he
18 would know. He might know if they ever played over
19 there, but that bat seems weird to me; yeah, very
20 strange. And I can't imagine -- what is this? Like a
21 bench or something? Where is this?
22 PATRICK BURKE: It looks a little side --
23 TOM HANEY: I think it is sort of the edging
24 of the house.
25 PATSY RAMSEY: When they quit playing they
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1 throw it on the ground. I can't imagine anybody would
2 be neat enough to lay it up on anything like that if
3 they were over there. That just -- that just
4 doesn't -- that is something.
5 TRIP DEMUTH: Who played baseball with Burke
6 in your yard?
7 PATSY RAMSEY: Evan. Mostly Evan.
8 (inaudible). The guy from nextdoor that was
9 occasionally over there, Scott, on our side or their
10 side, I don't know.
11 TRIP DEMUTH: Did they have their own
12 baseball stuff they brought over?
13 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. I didn't pay
14 that much attention.
15 TOM HANEY: Okay.
16 PATSY RAMSEY: Did anybody take hand prints
17 off of that, do you know?
18 TOM HANEY: I believe it was recovered.
19 TRIP DEMUTH: We have that, yeah.
20 PATSY RAMSEY: Because that looks -- that
21 just doesn't --
(SNIP)
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20 TOM HANEY: Okay. The next, excuse me, the
21 next photos begin here at 434.
22 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes).
23 TOM HANEY: Outside photos.
24 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes). There's not a
25 baseball bat, or is that the same one?
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June 1998 Patsy Ramsey Interrogation by Thomas Haney and Trip DeMuth (Baseball Bats)
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1 TOM HANEY: Well, the -- 435 is a close up
2 of the one in 434.
3 PATSY RAMSEY: I mean is this the same bat
4 as the one on the other side of the house?
5 TOM HANEY: No, that's why we're here.
6 TRIP DeMUTH: Do you recognize this area?
7 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
8 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. Where's the area in
9 434?
10 PATSY RAMSEY: This is the back yard, there
11 is the little pond, we have water in it, you
12 know.
13 TRIP DeMUTH: Off the patio?
14 PATSY RAMSEY: Off the patio. More likely
15 a bat would be here on the ground because this
16 is more like the general area where they play
17 baseball than the other picture.
18 TOM HANEY: Here, even though it's just
19 mulch stuff?
20 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes).
21 TOM HANEY: Okay.
22 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I mean, you know, it's
23 right there on the grass so part of the
24 unusualness of that other one was that it was
25 somewhere neat, neater than throwing it on the
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1 ground.
2 TOM HANEY: Okay. Do you recognize this
3 particular bat?
4 PATSY RAMSEY: Not, you know, like I said,
5 Burke would be the better one to know which was
6 his bat and which wasn't.
7 TOM HANEY: Sure.
8 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes).
9 TOM HANEY: And would you be able to
10 distinguish one bat from another?
11 PATSY RAMSEY: Probably not.
12 TOM HANEY: Okay. Not a big baseball,
13 softball fan, player?
14 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
15 TOM HANEY: Okay.
16 PATSY RAMSEY: Unh-unh (no).
17 TRIP DeMUTH: Would you know if those bats,
18 or Burke's bat, or anybody's bat for that
19 matter, would be allowed in the house wherever
20 in the house? Do bats ever come inside?
21 PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, I think if they would be
22 in any part of the house, they would be in the
23 garage, you know, in the garage right there
24 before you, you known, leaning up before you
25 come in the door, because they're usually dirty
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1 and I can't ever recall them being like up in
2 the play room or anything like that.
3 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. Did you have a rule
4 against bringing the bats in the house?
5 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
6 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. So it's possible that
7 one of the boys may have brought it in?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
9 TRIP DeMUTH: Do you remember any baseball
10 bats ever being in the basement?
11 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
12 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. Anybody ever store
13 them down in the basement?
14 PATSY RAMSEY: No, they would either be in
15 the garage or out here somewhere more than
16 likely.
17 TRIP DeMUTH: You never stored a baseball
18 bat in the basement?
19 PATSY RAMSEY: I can't say that I never
20 did, I can't remember.
21 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. Well --
22 PATSY RAMSEY: It would be unusual for me
23 to put a baseball bat or anybody to put a
24 baseball bat in the basement.
25 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. Do you have a memory
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1 of a baseball bat ever being -- I want to
2 know --
3 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I do not have a memory
4 of a baseball bat in the basement.
5 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay.
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