June 1998 John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane (Jay Elowsky and Pasta Jays)
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15 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, on the 27th, they said,
16 (Well, we want you to come to the police station.
17 We said, (We're mentally not capable) Our family
18 doctor was there. He said Patsy was in no
19 condition to leave this house. They said, (Well,
20 we've got to have you come to the police station.
21 I said why, he said, (Well we have records there
22 we want to pull out and look at.
23 And we said, (We can't. If you come here we'll
24 spend as much time as you want. But we physically
25 cannot be there. And that's when Mike Bynum
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1 stepped in and said, wait a minute, time out. And
2 he was there delivering food; he's a friend of
3 mine and he happened to be an attorney and he
4 smelled a rat, frankly.
5 LOU SMIT: Now this was while you were at
6 Fernie's?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: Um hmm.
8 LOU SMIT: Is that the first time that you
9 contacted the lawyer, that they contacted you?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: He was there. He was bringing
11 food over from Pasta Jay's, and just happened to
12 be there when the police were trying to haul us
13 down to the police station, and he said time out.
14 He took me inside and he said, (John, there's some
15 things going here. Would you allow me to do what I
16 think is necessary? and I said, (Of course.
17 LOU SMIT: And what did he do, John?
18 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't remember, but you'd
19 have to ask him, I guess. But I suspect what he
20 did is take the police aside and say, stop. You
21 cannot do what you're doing to these people. And
22 he arranged to bring Bryan in and Pat and were
23 just kind of on autopilot there. And frankly,
24 skeptical, why did we need to do this.
25 But as time went on we became more and more
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1 confused of what the police trying to do. They
2 were trying to put a square peg in a round hole,
3 and we're the square peg. And, you know, it was an
4 extremely frustrating time for us. It still is.
5 Cause we know we didn't do it; there's a killer
6 out there.
(SNIP)
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22 LOU SMIT: And I'm sure that still goes on
23 today. (INAUDIBLE) so you never know (INAUDIBLE).
24 Okay. Let's go back then to Christmas Eve. And you
25 did mention then -- Oh, I want to ask one more
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1 thing.
2 Pasta Jay's. You went there after what, after
3 church?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: After church.
5 LOU SMIT: And who went there?
6 JOHN RAMSEY: Patsy and I and Burke and
7 JonBenet.
8 LOU SMIT: Okay. Now you know Pasta Jay real
9 well?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah.
11 LOU SMIT: Because you're business partners
12 with him?
13 JOHN RAMSEY: Right.
14 LOU SMIT: Okay. A thought that crossed my
15 mind, and I don't know if -- you used to go there
16 quite a bit?
17 JOHN RAMSEY: Lots, yeah.
18 LOU SMIT: Okay. How often would you say you
19 went there?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, I'd go there at least twice
21 a week, probably.
22 LOU SMIT: And how often would your family go?
23 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, at least once a week. At least.
24 LOU SMIT: Just as an investigative thought, did
25 Pasta Jay have anybody working for him that may
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1 trigger something in your mind? I know he has a
2 lot of people working for him.
3 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah.
4 LOU SMIT: And he would be the one probably
5 to answer that.
6 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. I didn't really have any
7 involvement in the day-to-day business. So I only
8 knew the people that were out in front: the
9 waitresses and so forth.
10 LOU SMIT: You see, David, my thought process
11 is maybe they met some kook cook or something or
12 somebody that may have quite shortly after or
13 exhibited a strange behavior. I don't know. I
14 think some place where JonBenet would have been
15 out with her family, sort of.
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June 1998 John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane (Jay Elowsky and Pasta Jays)
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16 JOHN RAMSEY: She was there all the time.
17 And really, she grew up at Pasta Jay's.
18 (INAUDIBLE). The waitresses kind of adopted her as
19 sort of a surrogate child.
20 LOU SMIT: (INAUDIBLE) if Pasta Jay or anyone
21 else that we would like to talk to if we have
22 difficulties, please let us know.
23 JOHN RAMSEY: Okay.
(SNIP)
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21 JOHN RAMSEY: Just to backup one step with
22 Pasta Jay. The only one thing I noticed that night
23 that, when we were (INAUDIBLE) there was this very
24 striking couple there with their daughter who just
25 stood out in my mind. And I noticed her in church
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1 and he had very dark hair and she was very
2 attractive. And I had never seen them in church.
3 And they look kind of like they were from East.
4 They were well cared for. They were dressed up.
5 And they were in Pasta Jay's.
6 LOU SMIT: Also.
7 JOHN RAMSEY: Also. And they kind of sat
8 near us in the same room and then they moved to a
9 table in the other room. And I thought, (Hmmmm.)
10 LOU SMIT: Is this the first time you thought
11 of that?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: No, I thought about it before.
13 What was that, who was it? I mean it was kind of
14 a, (Oh, I saw those people in church and it's a
15 coincidence that they are in Pasta Jay's. And
16 later I thought, who were those people.
17 LOU SMIT: Were they in a farther row or did
18 anybody know them? Would that be in a signed
19 register?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: No. (INAUDIBLE) it's just
21 a piece of data.
22 LOU SMIT: And you ever seen them since?
23 JOHN RAMSEY: No.
24 LOU SMIT: So then Christmas Eve was at Pasta
25 Jay's and then what happened? Just kind of take
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1 (INAUDIBLE)?
2 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, yeah. I remember dropping
3 Patsy off; I couldn't find a parking place right
4 away. So I parked and came around and they already
5 had a table in the front room. I came in, we had
6 dinner, the kids colored.
7 I think we drove up to -- after we left there I
8 think we drove to the Star, might have driven a
9 little bit to look at the lights. JonBenet was
10 miffed because we wouldn't let her walk up to the
11 star because she had on her church dress and
12 (INAUDIBLE) can't walk up there.
(SNIP)
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22 JOHN RAMSEY: The only other
23 kind, and this is horrible to throw out,
24 the only thing that I know that has, likes
25 guns and stuff like that is Jay Arotski
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1 (phonetic). (INAUDIBLE), I know that has
2 guns. He likes to collect those things.
3 (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS).
(SNIP)
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19 LOU SMIT: And that's photograph
20 number 61.
21 (Handing next sheet of
22 photographs).
23 LOU SMIT: Perhaps 66 is a
24 photograph of a check. Do you recall that?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. I had in
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1 effect loaned Jay that money, when I bought his
2 building. And he paid me back. I just hadn't
3 deposited it.
4 LOU SMIT: Do you know where that
5 was located?
6 JOHN RAMSEY: I think that was,
7 looks like it was the dish rack in the back
8 hallway, right there. About that little table.
9 LOU SMIT: Okay.
10 JOHN RAMSEY: Some checks or
11 something on the table.
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