June 1998 John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane (12/23/96 Christmas Party photos, 12/25/96 dropping presents on the way home, New York trip with the Stines, Susan Stine told them about Susan Bennett aka Jameson, Susan Stine defending Patsy re: Tabs)
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12 LOU SMIT: Do you know who took these pictures?
13 JOHN RAMSEY: I would guess Fleet White,
14 because he was taking pictures. But I don't know
15 for sure.
16 LOU SMIT: Just off the top of your head,
17 do you remember who was there?
18 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. The Fernies, John and
19 Barbara Fernie. Priscilla and Fleet White. And, of
20 course, their children; both the Fernie's children
21 I think were there. Priscilla's sister and
22 boyfriend who's this fellow. I don't remember what
23 his name is, from California, was there.
24 I can look at the picture and remember some people
25 who were there. Say Don Paugh, Patsy's father. I
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1 think that's Glen Stine, Susan and Glen Stine
(SNIP)
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7 LOU SMIT: So where did you pull into then
8 at the Walkers?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: I think I pulled into the
10 driveway. And it seems like that when Patsy, as I
11 recall, she went in and she stayed a little while
12 like five minutes.
13 LOU SMIT: And she went in to do something?
14 JOHN RAMSEY: Just to give the Walkers their
15 gifts.
16 LOU SMIT: Do you know what that gift was?
17 JOHN RAMSEY: I didn't at the time. I think
18 it was perfume or something like that. I remember
19 her saying, but I didn't at the time. I thought it
20 was a food (INAUDIBLE) or something like that. And
21 she came back out and we went to the Stines and
22 she had a gift for them.
23 LOU SMIT: Now did you and Burke and JonBenet
24 stay in the car, do you remember?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't remember.
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1 LOU SMIT: You stayed in the car at the Walkers?
2 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, the Walkers, yeah. I think we
3 all three stayed in the car.
4 LOU SMIT: And then you go to the Stines?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: Right.
6 LOU SMIT: How far a drive is the Stines?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: Two minutes, three minutes.
8 Pulled up out the front of their house. Patsy
9 certainly went in, I don't think I did. I don't
10 remember if Burke did or not. I don't think
11 JonBenet did. But I don't remember for sure.
12 It wouldn't have been unusual for Burke to go in
13 because that was his buddy, Doug.
14 LOU SMIT: Did you have a gift for Doug?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't know. I know Patsy
16 probably, but I don't recall. And then we debated,
17 we had a gift for the Fernies and we debated
18 whether we should go over there. But that's
19 probably 15 minutes away and we wanted to get home
20 and to bed. And we didn't know what time we would
21 get back. So we left the Stines and drove home.
22 LOU SMIT: So your concern then was mainly you
23 didn't want to spend that extra time (INAUDIBLE).
24 Why?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, it was 15 minutes over
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1 there and both the kids might want to go in and it
2 would have been half an hour, 45 minutes before we
3 went home. And we had to get up early next
4 morning. They were tired. They had been up all
5 day. So we said, well, we'd do that when we got
6 back.
7 LOU SMIT: So when you leave the Steins,
8 Patsy returns or whatever and that's just a short
9 distance to your house, I imagine. What? Just a
10 couple of minutes? And was Burke asleep at this
11 time (INAUDIBLE)?
(SNIP)
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18 MIKE KANE: Okay. Now I think yesterday
19 that you mentioned when one of the parades on
20 December the 6th, that you were away then. Do you
21 recall where you were then?
22 JOHN RAMSEY: We had gone to New York
23 that weekend with Susan and Glen Stine. They
24 invited us to go. I forget when Glen came back, it
25 was like a Friday and they came back on the Sunday
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June 1998 John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane (12/23/96 Christmas Party photos, 12/25/96 dropping presents on the way home, New York trip with the Stines, Susan Stine told them about Susan Bennett aka Jameson, Susan Stine defending Patsy re: Tabs)
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1 or something like that.
2 MIKE KANE: Where did you stay then?
3 JOHN RAMSEY: I can see the place; I
4 can't tell you the name. Patsy might remember.
5 MIKE KANE: In Manhattan?
6 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah, it was downtown. It
7 was near the theatre district. The Marriott or
8 something like that.
(SNIP)
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19 LOU SMIT: Her name is Sue
20 Bennett, your name is Bennett?
21 JOHN RAMSEY: Right.
22 LOU SMIT: Is there any
23 relationship?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't think so, I
25 had a cousin named, I was thinking what was her
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1 name, I haven't seen her in years and years and
2 years, but her name was, at least her maiden
3 name was, they call her Susie Bennett or, it was
4 close enough to think I wonder if it could be my
5 cousin, but it wasn't.
6 LOU SMIT: So when you met
7 with her there was no relationship
8 established like cousins or --
9 JOHN RAMSEY: No. I just
10 mentioned that my middle name was Bennett,
11 JonBenet was named after me.
12 LOU SMIT: And you never had
13 contact with her before personally or on
14 the Internet or anything like that or can
15 you --
16 JOHN RAMSEY: No, no, I
17 never did. She had written us a letter
18 once, I remember a letter because it said
19 Jamison, a/k/a Sue Bennett. That was
20 maybe a year ago.
21 LOU SMIT: So you have put
22 nothing on the Internet through her name
23 or anything like that?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: No. She said I
25 could if I wanted to, but that was one of the
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1 things she offered, if you want to get --
2 LOU SMIT: Just recently?
3 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, a month or so
4 ago, yeah. In fact, she called the other day
5 and along with Steven or whatever his name,
6 Jeffrey Shapiro, so we changed our phone number.
7 I mean she is a nice person, and --
8 BRYAN MORGAN: I missed that, she
9 called with Jeffrey?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: No, they had both
11 called. Somehow -- I was more concerned about
12 the fact that Jeffrey Shapiro had our phone
13 number. But we changed the number anyway so.
14 MIKE KANE: Let me follow up on
15 this. How did you know about her?
16 JOHN RAMSEY: I guess I started to
17 hear about her from friends that, Susan Stine, I
18 don't remember, Susan checked some of that
19 stuff, the Internet stuff. I think it just kind
20 of started coming out that she was is a
21 supporter. And we just started hearing about
22 her.
(SNIP)
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16 MIKE KANE: How did the interview
17 with -- if this was set up by your lawyers, you
18 don't need to answer this -- the interview with
19 the producer from Geraldo, there was a --
20 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, in Atlanta?
21 MIKE KANE: Yes, there was
22 Geraldo's producer and I think Patsy --
23 (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS).
24 JOHN RAMSEY: Patsy is too
25 kind. This woman walked up to the back door
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1 with a cameraman and that was the interview.
2 Patsy would -- if Patsy had a mean bone in her
3 body she would have told her to get the hell off
4 or else. She didn't, she stood there and kindly
5 talked to this women and then she left. She
6 tried that again, I don't know, a month later,
7 Susan Stine happened to be there. Susan called
8 the police, the police threatened to arrest her
9 and that's the last we saw of her. That's what
10 Patsy should have done, but she is not that --
11 she is not mean. That was the interview, of
12 course I guess, I didn't watch it, but --
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